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How can I export values from a Hidden matrix table

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11:30
July 22, 2008


scott

Member

sydney

posts 11

Hi,

I have created surveys which I use scripting commands such as ’sgapiSetValue’ to set an array of string values to a hidden matrix questions (one column/multiple rows, each row allowing open-ended). For example,

Price (Matrix with one column allowing open-ended text)
price1 (open-box) - question id 64
price2 (open-box) - question id 65

Then I piped these string values for 64/65/… in the following questions’ text part. It is working fine. In those questions’ text part, correct hidden values from 64/65… are shown. So that is not my problem.

My trouble is with data exporting, although I can clearly see this item “Price” shown as “table” in data selection field, but I cannot see it in exported csv or Excel data file. I know the data must be in system’s database otherwise the later questions will not show correctly. But how can I get these data stored in “Price” as hidden values exported to a data file?

I am on Professional version, will Enterprise version be different on this or this is something currently cannot be done? It is quite important to be able to export these values, because they are the conditions for the responses for later questions, so definitely they are part of analysis.

Thanks

Scott

3:37
July 23, 2008


Mario

Moderator

Boulder, CO

posts 427

Scott,
This is with the ‘Test Choice Survey’ is that correct? Just want to make sure I’m looking at the correct survey since this is very specific.

8:33
July 24, 2008


scott

Member

sydney

posts 11

Hi Mario,

Yes, that’s correct, and other surveys we do are also similar.

So in this case, we need to export both choice answers for scenario 1 to 8, we also need to export those string values from the hidden matrix.

Thanks

Scott

5:17
July 25, 2008


Mario

Moderator

Boulder, CO

posts 427

Scott,
With the current version of SurveyGizmo (version 1), you can do the following:
Instead of hiding by ‘Hide by default’, use “This question will be hidden unless toggled by a Show/Hide Trigger Question on this survey page. ” When using ‘hide by default’, it automatically will not be actually SENT to the servers as part of the response, and is stored for that session, as you are seeing.
With version 2, this won’t work the same way, and the best way would have been to either to some tricky stuff with LOGIN and pre-population or use the ADD ACTION > HIDDEN VALUE since that is a special use case where it is never seen, can be populated in a variety of ways, and is submitted as part of the response.

Hope that helps!

12:49
July 26, 2008


scott

Member

sydney

posts 11

Hi Mario,

I have tested the way you suggested, I cannot export the data yet. However, you mentioned that in SurveyGizmo2 this will not be allowed has raised lot more concerns to me. Because even if the hidden values only stored for the session and I can’t export them, I still can merge data with my pre-designed matrix file. So even I don’t have a way to export data for hidden values, as long as I know they match with my pre-designed file, I still have alternative methods.

But if I am unable to do in the way I am using now, it will raise lot more problems which means this type of work may not be doable. Pre-population via URL and login is probably one of the least preferred options for researchers. It will be important to assign values within a respondent’s survey not between respondents’ surveys, only based on a version/profile number given randomly by system at the point of survey, not pre-assigned to sample. We do not know what biases it is going to bring to the results especially if sample is out out your control (like from an online panel company).

Using many hidden value fields also does not sound like an option, because at the moment I can efficiently assign lots of value following different conditions into one matrix question only, if I use hidden value field, how many hidden value questions do I have to use? Given the complex patterns that survey needs to follow, it is going to make this kind of task impossible.

I definitely hope the current way will still work in new version even data only stored for the session. That is also the reason one of my clients just sign up an enterprise version to handle this type of work, and several other researchers are also considering.

I hope this can be regarded as an important feature that SurveyGizmo can handle and not a feature should be dropped. Many thanks

Scott

11:13
July 29, 2008


Mario

Moderator

Boulder, CO

posts 427

I’ve passed your concerns on to the developers regarding a way to hide other question types besides the ‘hidden value’ action to survey takes while still report their values as part of the response (so it is recorded as part of their response).

Let me know if I’ve understood that properly.

On a side note, you would need a ‘hidden value’ action field for each data bit you wish to use as a source for calculations or for storing the output of those calculations, assuming you wished to have all of those fields be stored as part of the response.

12:50
August 8, 2008


scott

Member

sydney

posts 11

Hi Mario,

Thanks a lot for your help!  The suggestion you made to developers was exactly what I would like to have, which is to allow each type of question to have a hidden property. Looking forward to hear more on this development.

Scott


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